Saturday, February 12, 2011

"Love or Hate America" chatting opera

I will post here a chat between an E-friend and "moi" about a very delicate topic: Loving or hating AMERICA. Read the whole thing and later you can argue with me what my point of view is.
10:38 AM me: hey, what's up?
Archenar: hi. nothing much, writing a bit about my friend, translating a bit, trying to see the monitor behind my cat's ass. :)
10:40 AM me: i'm supposed to pick clothes from the hanger. it's going to rain i must do the dishes put the trash out chores and chores
Archenar: i also have a long list of must-dos. pff growing up is a pain in the ass. :)
10:41 AM me: don't tell me
Archenar: how are the cats? how is the hubbie? how is the school, is everything all right?
10:43 AM me: the cats are great. Tibby is getting old and so she's more reserved. Pancho is a brat.He bit Roberto's nose yesterday so hard that he almost needed stiches
10:44 AM the school is great
we have three international trips for this year
10:45 AM how was your trip to Europe?
Archenar to me
12:15 PM me: i am going to Disney with the kids in July and to Vegas in January with the adults
12:16 PM Archenar: oh, that is so nice! the us are not the best place, but, even so, it's a lot of fun.
12:17 PM me: USA is the best place EVER
sorry to disagree
i got very disappointed in Europe
Archenar: no, it's ok. i prefer anywhere in europe.
really, why?
12:19 PM me: I'm speaking of EUROPE in general which is not the truth about GERMANY and IRELAND. In Germany, for instance,I was very well assisted and the signs, info to help tourists to get around were all PERFECT... but in the USA, everywhere I went, there were signs and instructions all around
12:20 PM I've been to NYC, CHICAGO, ATLANTA, MIAMI, I lived in SAINT PETE by the GOLF OF MEXICO... I never got lost in those places
12:21 PM Archenar: well, i went everywhere, even czeck republic, where language is fucking crazy, and i never got lost. i got by very well. and when i couldn't find anything, i would mimic and people would help me. but... i understand that europe is not for everyone. ;)
12:22 PM brb, going to smoke. write away. :D
me: I heard about Czech people being EXTREMELY polite to help tourist to get around...
I didn't go there
that's why I say.. I got disappointed with a few countries
12:23 PM but not all of them
I love AMERICA, that's all
better saying: AMERICAN PEOPLE
12:26 PM "Europe is not for everyone"... thanks for placing me in the "EVERYONE" category...
12:31 PM Archenar: i wasn't saying that. and i guess we disagree on a basic level, which is american people. and i hate them. in general. sorry if i offended you.
12:34 PM me: Why do you hate american people? One of your favorite writer is Henry Muller, right?
12:37 PM Archenar: henry miller is a different case. i love a lot of american writers, bands, whatever. but i don't like americans in general. they are very self-centered, they think you need to love their country like they do, they think you have to think they are the best and blah blah blah, when, in fact, they don't know much about the rest of the world. they introduce themselves as "oh, i'm whatever, i'm american" and expect you to be in awe. i hate the average american. like i hate a bunch of other people. there are exceptions, of course, like there are everywhere. but i positively hate self-centered people. which they are. to the max.
12:39 PM like
12:40 PM i can't bear people who make remakes of movies just because they are not in english, or remake stuff just because it's in british english. gah. grr.
me: wow, I lived there for 5 years and I did not meet any individual that think or said or react that way. Have you ever read a book called ... sorry the title is in portuguese: " O Manual do Perfeito Idiota Latino Americano"? That book illustrates exactly what I found out about dealing with people of that culture... it is amazing
12:41 PM the book is awesome
and reflects about all these misconceptions
12:43 PM Archenar: well, there are misconceptions everywhere. but i speak from what i saw and what i lived. as i said, there are exceptions everywhere, good and people everywhere. but the usa is a wonderful place to visit and to spend money in electronics. other than that, for me, pff. not worth it. but, as i said, we are different individuals and have different opinions.
i have nothing against their being rich
or having more security for everyone
12:44 PM me: it was written by Colombian, Cuban, and Peruvian writers
Archenar: i think each country has its own development and i don't envy any of the things i had there
i don't like their way of life, i didn't like the life i had there, i don't like the relationships, i don't like the way they are shallow
12:45 PM i don't like a bunch of things. that is why i don't like american people. i can bear them, talk to them, pff, i don't care. but it wouldn't be my country of choice if i could choose a place to live around the world.
12:46 PM me: They are are and live exactly the way Brazilians, Europeans, Africans, Middle Eastern, etc etc do. They are regular people.
They are people just like you
12:47 PM Archenar: well, that is your point of view. i won't argue. you see what i don't see and i see what you don't see. and you will not convince me otherwise. you lived there, i lived there. we had different experiences, met different people. just like people somewhere hate brazilians, you know. i don't agree with the american way of life, which is to say, very different from my way of life. and that is all.
12:49 PM me: where did you live? I am getting scared... I don't wanna go there.... where exactly did you live there?
Archenar: why scared? people are allowed to disagree. i lived in virginia, new jersey and massachusetts.
12:53 PM me: I am getting scared because you said YOU HATED AMERICAN PEOPLE... and I couldn't understand... and still can't how could a person hate the PEOPLE of a place... I lived in SAINT PETERSBURG, where I could find funloving, helpful, and respectful people. So I am not going to BOSTON then, but my boss was from Virginia and her entire family was so warming and caring.... life is just too confusing
12:54 PM new Jersey
i don't have anything to say
12:58 PM Archenar: i hate american people like i don't like them, don't care for them, am not impressed by them or their culture. i am not a lover of american anything, just like most people are. i don't care. it's not that i am adolph hitler. but... i guess that is your point of view and the way you see things. i mean, by the way you understand things, you were very influenced by the american culture, because, in a way or another, you take everything i said to the letter and leave no space for interpretation. right now, in your head, i have an oven in my house where i will burn all americans i find on the streets. what i said, from the beginning, is that i don't like american people. maybe the word hate was a bit too much, but, anyway. i don't like their way of life in general. just like some people don't like the french. just like i hate corinthianos in general. but that doesn't mean i don't have any friends that are corinthianos. i do have and i always tell them, hey, i hate corinthianos. because that is the way things are. i see beyond corinthians, like who they are, except for this character flaw. hahaha. but... i am not a politically correct person. i don't thread lightly on things and i think nobody should. and i don't have an oven in my house. and i am not a terrorist, not a comunist, not a stupid latin american person (like the book mentions) that loves all things that are against the usa or capitalism. it's a personal opinion. that is all.
12:59 PM but, scared, come on! that's just an opinion. like i hate olives. so, i keep away from them.
1:03 PM me: wait... you are taking things too harsh. sorry if I typed things in a wrong way or with strong words. I was going and AM GOING to celebrate this chat because we needed to find something UNCOMMON between us. I remember you said once: " WE ARE SIMILAR IN SO MANY THINGS" and now I know we are not. I love that. That's the beauty of being HUMAN BEINGS
1:04 PM I keep respecting you
Later on...
1:10 PM Archenar: i, by no means, lost my respect for you. people disagree in many aspects, and i know that. there is no problem.
1:11 PM but i don't fear not liking things or hating things and voicing it to people. as i said, i am not politically correct. i think politically correct makes people become weak and dumb.
1:12 PM so, i don't like a bunch of people, because of the stereotypes that exist. and that is the way i am. but, you liking american people and my not liking them does not diminish the image i have of you. and i hope that does not get in the way of our friendship. :)
I am not politically correct either. However, your losing the respect for me can only get in the way of the friendship we used to have. I did not mean to argue. I am so sorry that the conversation ended up that way, because I was just making my point and you took it in the wrong way... Besides all that, I also root for Corinthians. What a sad coincidence! It was really nice to have "online-met" you.
Peace out
1:10 PM Archenar: i, by no means, lost my respect for you. people disagree in many aspects, and i know that. there is no problem. 1:11 PM but i don't fear not liking things or hating things and voicing it to people. as i said, i am not politically correct. i think politically correct makes people become weak and dumb. 1:12 PM so, i don't like a bunch of people, because of the stereotypes that exist. and that is the way i am. but, you liking american people and my not liking them does not diminish the image i have of you. and i hope that does not get in the way of our friendship. :)

Laila,Are you crazy? I never said I lost the respect I had for you. Why would I? I have nothing against your opinion! Please, read the chat again. It's down there, just scroll the email.

me: sorry for last night's misunderstanding

12:54 PM Archenar: it's ok. don't worry
THE END

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